Sunday, September 28, 2014

CALLING ALL ORTHODOX PROPHETS





Calling All Orthodox Prophets ! - The Orthodox Prophets Blog...





orthodoxprophets.blogspot.com  
(Sorry, Nathan Lee Lewis's OP blog is top secret now, It's invite only now to worthy prophet acolytes)
 I became aware of  Nadox standpoint, The side bar from thithan's "Orthodox Prophets" blog before he thought better of keeping it public. I  studied it and I realize just how wacky it was, from an Orthos  blog was particularly very revealing...
"A forum for Eastern Orthodox Christian prophets to speak to the Church and the world. There are no new general revelations or
scriptures to be revealed, but God has given prophets to the Church to pierce the darkness with his revealed will. "


The battle cry of this blog is "Calling all Orthodox Prophets" and N.L. Lewis (no not C.L. Lewis, the author of "Mere Christianity"), I mean Nathan Lee Lewis, invited other "Orthodox Prophets" to share their revelations by posting in this blog, needless to say, nobody has taken him up on his offer as far as I know. He may, of coarse, have found a couple since then in his new jurisdiction, I wouldn't doubt. He goes on to write a definition of  " What Is A Prophet?". I'm not really sure if he got this from some other source or wrote it himself but it says, among other things,  

"A Christian prophet is one inspired by Holy Spirit"*..., "he or she is given the power to preach repentance to those who do not want to hear the message, and to warn of the spiritual results of disobedience"... "God calls and anoints a prophet" and "the prophet is given a unique charism"

 
 Now this is charism ! Looks like he may be the president of the Nashville chapter of the ZZ Top fan club. Go on with your bad self Nathan !
                                                                   

"APOSTLE PAUL: Power...to penetrate all mysteries and knowledge."
"How Prophets Are Ordained"
Jeremiah 1:5

"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you, and before you were born, I sanctified you. I established you & a prophet to the nations."
Ephesians 4:11
"And he gave some... prophets..."

"Authority And Role Of The Prophet"

"He who receives a prophet will receive a prophet's reward"

"A prophet carries no authority other than that which God gives him for the issuance of God's word. A prophet does not seek nor require the permission or approval of a priest, bishop or king for it is often to such that he is called to speak. Scripture allows, however, that the prophet recognize those that have "rule" and "authority" over the flock of which he or she is a part, and seek their counsel and guidance; therefore, those who speak from the Orthodox Prophets platform are encouraged to be an active parishioner of a local Orthodox church and to be in regular communication with an Orthodox priest
"A Prophet does not speak for God; he speaks from Him."


Well, as we can see Nathan doesn't need approval or permission from anyone, be it priest, bishop,  king or especially some ham and egger's . So, of course the only thing left for him to do if they won't listen is to shake the dust off and move on to another jurisdiction, right ? Or perhaps alternately send fire and brimstone down on their miserable heads. Of course, every good Orthodox Prophet must also be an active parishioner of a local Orthodox Church and in good standing with the priest which would also be a good reason to leave. Simple, right? 

How Prophets Receive Words From God


"The Word of the Lord came..."
 "The Lord said..."



 "The Test of True Prophets"
"You may be privately wondering, 'How are we to tell that a prophecy does not come from Yahweh'? When a prophet speaks in the name of Yahweh and the thing does not happen and the word is not fulfilled, then it has not been said by Yahweh. The prophet has spoken presumptuously. You have nothing to fear from him."

"Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,"
  "But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus, that spirit is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world"
  
More Bible thumping personal interpretations taken out of content straight from the televangelist handbook I would say.
 This phrase was not intended to offer blanket acceptance of all religious people, groups or spirits who simply state a belief that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. In fact, to state that one believes that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is to do no more than the demons did during the earthly ministry of Christ. In Mark 1:21-28,  Jesus rebuked the demon who cried "I know who You are—the Holy One of God!” Besides this, there are at least seven things in 1 John to gauge whether or not a person was faithful and acceptable to God. Among other things, St. John wrote that a person must: (1) confess his or her sins (1:8-10); (2) keep God’s commandments (2:3-4; 5:2); (3) practice righteousness (2:29); (4) love others (3:10); (5) provide for the physical needs of others (4:17); and (6) believe and confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh (4:1-3).

Then he goes on to his 6 rules. Nice to know he sets rules about what other prophets may write on this blog, helps keeps out the riff raff.


 

"Criteria Of Prophetic Words" 


1. A private word is intended only for the ears of a private individual or group and will not be posted on this forum.
As are invitation only private blogs
2. A private word can become a public word if the hearers fail to listen, causing the detriment of others.

Better keep those private prophecies private and listen up people
3. A public word is intended for individuals, groups and nations. Elements of a private nature may be contained in such, as it relates to the edification or protection of an individual, group or nation.

 OK...

 4. Prophets offer no apologies for words given but they maintain a heart toward personal repentance and godly accountability.
A spiritual and legal disclaimer
5. Prophet's actual names, blog identities, or e-mails are displayed for the purpose of accountability and to allow all to "test the spirits whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world."


No false or mystery prophets will be tolerated on the Orthodox Prophets blog. You will be tested
6. Based on the above criteria, Orthodox Prophets is not an "Opinion" site used for opened debate, therefore the comment section on this blog is not enabled.

No comments allowed, especially by people who don't believe in my prophethood

 Of course this is also needed to further distinguish the true Orthodox prophet from the false non Orthodox variety.

 This is a false prophet...

 

 

 

 

 

                                                  This is not...

 

 "The Signs of False Prophets"

"...the prophet who presumes to say something in my name which I have not commanded him to say, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die."
Well, Nathan is still alive therefor he must be a true prophet of the true God, right ? He goes on Bible thumping and quoting things that help people recognize a false prophet from a true one. BTW, all his biblical quotes are taken from the New International Version of the Bible,

" They will exploit you with stories they have made up" 
 This is to warn against people like me who may fib and challenge his authority by making a blog like this one. I ask the questions, why would he write this stuff if he didn't believe he's a prophet who speaks for God ?  If he didn't believe so, why would he create a blog looking for "Orthodox Prophets" to send in their prophecies? Why does he now deny what this blog was all about ?

 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them."
 OK, sheep's clothing, Nathan, false prophet, check...


"Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets"
Hmmm, then again .... a lot of people don't regard Nathan as being well...


"But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you...." 
OK, Nathan, false prophet again, check...
"... Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. "
 OK, made up exploited stories, regurgitated Milan Synod, check... Well, I'm going to have to go out on a limb here and say he fits the criteria as being a false prophet, but what do I know. 


Here's part of a comment he made to a comment on JTO to Timothy Kwoh, who has a website called Australian Islamist Monitor  Next day he makes a post on Nov. 26, 2008  called "So You Want To Be A Prophet?" with more of his prophet obsessed ramblings.Would somebody please buy this man a hairshirt to wear!
"I understand Australia has little to no gun rights. Did the prophets on that Continent not speak out with a loud voice to expose what the promoters of that initiative "conspired" to do? If they did not, then shame on them. Their silence harmed the people and the Churches of that nation, brought them one step further to humanistic, governmental domination and the assurance of continued erosion of liberties including religious liberties."

Thursday, September 25, 2014

REBUTTAL GUEST EDITORIAL


JOANNA HIGGINBOTHAM, ROCA UNDER METROPOLITAN AGATHANGEL

Nathan Lee Lewis's text is in white. Joanna Higginbotham's interjections are in blue and my own interjections are in yellow

 


 I asked Joanna if she would be so kind as to give her thoughts and refute the now regurgitated Milan reader Nathan Lee Lewis's mindless attempt to discredit Fr. Seraphim (Rose) in his self serving  un Orthodox JTO post of Aug 15, 2012, "Roseites and the Charismatic Gifts".  This strange, allegedly Orthodox man attempts very hard to prove his views as being Orthodox, however it is quite evident he is in reality just some weird, deluded Protestant Charismatic nincompoop. 
Joanna Higginbotham : Yes, I will.  My comments are interspersed in blue
Roseites and the Charismatic Gifts
First of all, to refute this I would ask anyone to first read Fr. Seraphim's book:  Orthodoxy and the Religion of the Future, with special attention to the chapter on the charismatic movement.  This books helps one to gain the discernment necessary to recognize "Satan dressed up as an Angel of Light".    With this discernment, it is clear that Nathan Lewis and the Orthodox Church are talking about two very different spirits.   Nathan has mistaken Satan for an "Angel of Light".
I have been dismayed* to discover the existence, in Orthodox circles, of disciples of Father Seraphim Rose, or "Roseites". Roseites are those who, don't just revere Rose's writings, but consider his writings to be Orthodox Dogma. In the body of orthodox writings, Father Seraphim Rose was a profound contributor, however, caution should be taken by those who would trend toward allowing Rose, or any personally-preferred saint, to be the plumb line of their Christian experience. Apostle Paul warned about this very thing:
Fr. Seraphim was extremely careful only to present the collective teachings of the Holy Fathers of the Orthodox Church. 
Fr. Seraphim can not be considered a "contributor" to Church writings in the sense that he added or expounded any doctrine or theology.  He merely translated the Holy Fathers' collective teaching, showed their unity (not always apparent) and applied the precepts to current times.  
An example of this is with the space aliens.  By studying the descriptions of demonic visitations in the Holy Fathers, Fr. Seraphim was able to recognize that today's space aliens are nothing more than demons.  Nothing new.  No new teachings.  Same old tricks the demons always used. 
 *Yea, he's dismayed that there are millions of Orthodox believers who consider his brain farts the heretical nonsense of a lunkhead
1 Corinthians 1
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? *
This Bible quote does not apply to the situation here.  St. Paul was saying that all the bishops baptized under the head of the Church (Christ).  It is the same as saying whether somebody is baptized by a priest under Bishop Sophrony in the Ukraine, or a priest under Bishop Andronik in America, for example, – that it is still the same baptism. 
*Nathan thinks he's a great teacher and reformer of the Orthodox Church.  Truth is, he's got a two cent Baptist minister certificate boosted by his travels in and out of just about every Protestant heresy there is, with a doctorate in bible thumping
Divisions come when these Roseites, who have fallen prey to a version of saint worship, demand that others follow suit and become like them. These demands come in the form of public and private denouncements, and judgements of the spiritual state of others. These Roseites are the creators of contentions and divisions among us*
Since Nathan is talking about me – saying that I demand others follow Fr. Seraphim – I will answer this directly.  No, I do not demand that others follow Fr. Seraphim.  But the Church does demand of Her members that they believe what the Church believes.  What the Church teaches and prescribes for us is given by Christ; this is His Church.  I see that Nathan's problem is not with Fr. Seraphim, but with the Church.  
*Actually divisions come when Lewisites start believing that he really knows what he's talking about. Don't forget, Nathan's chosen profession is acting, and what do actors do ? They act, or you could say they lie, and try to sell themselves as the real thing. Outside the sphere of the church Lewis is a two bit actor who attempts to aline himself with famous, well known actors to appear important. I've seen some of his work, and it is forgettable at best. Even his so called production company seems to exist only on paper and webpages, much like the synod he is currently a member of, the regurgitated Milan Synod. Truth is, they are quite small in numbers despite their huge internet presence thanks to the efforts of his fellow big talking gang member, Joseph Suaiden, and the other dark misfits that inhabit the outer limits of the Orthodox Bizarro World. These vagante's could care less about a persons spiritual state, they even seem to promote their delusions and only care about filling their ranks and coffers.
"This is of particular note in light of Father Seraphim Rose's controversial writings on the subject of charismatics. The controversy comes not in Rose's appropriately-issued warnings about the demonic nature of much of the modern-day Charismatic Movement, but in Father Seraphim Rose's propensity to disavow, or at least avoid, any supernatural gifts of the faith.* This is the proverbial "throwing the baby out with the bathwater". It is the imbalanced error of pusillanimity, where one so fears the bad, that he misses the good. The Roseites have taken this a step further. Some Roseite-leaning "orthodox" blogs, have taken to denouncing, by name, individuals and groups who are coming into the Church from charismatic backgrounds. These Roseites even become internet trolls, going from site to site, chat room to chat room, sending accusatory e-mails, making phone calls, tattling to priests and bishops, arguing, denouncing, and causing dissension, even with brothers and sisters in their own jurisdictions. Without any shred of evidence as to current heretical activity, these Roseites assume that such converts are not truly converted, or have "incomplete salvation", or are demonized, satanic agents bent on destroying the church. They hold as suspect, and deem as enemies, anyone who dares use the scriptural word, "charisma", and who promotes the scriptural and traditional orthodox dogma that ALL of the gifts of the spirit are still in the church. They fail to consider that, perhaps, one who has been led by the grace of God through the maze of the Charismatic Movement and into true Orthodox Faith through enlightenment, repentance, and baptism, just might have a more balanced grasp on what is, and is not to be trusted in the supernatural realm. It seems the Church as a whole could benefit from such converts".

Fr. Seraphim certainly recognized genuine miracles of the Church.  He himself  received miracles from the very beginning starting with a miracle at his first communion. He was given a very sweet taste in his mouth that lasted for weeks. It was years later he realized this didn't happen to everyone. In his writings he referred to the "taste" of true Orthodoxy to impress on us how real is the grace that comes through the Church and Her Mysteries. People who have "tasted" or experienced the grace that comes through the Church have a much easier time discerning between heavenly gifts and satanic gifts.  
 Nobody in the Church denies that there is grace outside the Church. Hitler himself would not have been able to draw a single breath without the grace of God. Even prophesy, such as when the dumb ass spoke (Numbers 22:21-30), can occur outside the Church. And as when Herod said that it is fitting for one man to die for the people. But these are very different from the gifts given to holy ascetics and holy men such as St. John of Shanghai & San Francisco and St. John of Kronstadt.
 Nathan is not talking about me when he lists activities such as chat rooms, since I never visited one. This indicates I am not the only one who has noticed and said something about Nathan's prelest inspired ideas. Yes, I did alert his spiritual father (at the time) – I guess that is what he means by "tattling to priests". And I did try to alert Nathan as well, but it fell on deaf ears. Since Nathan had somewhat of a following on his blog of innocent sheep, – potential converts, – I wanted to be sure they were armed with the information necessary to discern the demonic nature of the charismatic movement. I did post articles about it. These articles are on the Remnant ROCOR blog under the label "Orthodox Charismatics".   
 Nathan already recognizes the false nature of most of the charismatic phenomena outside the Church. But somehow he thinks that his own charismata is true, in his mind his gift has been "Orthodoxized". But he did not receive a gift of prophesy from within the Church, he believes he instead had a already pre-existing gift before he joined the Church and that his gift is sanctified by his joining the Church, his is an incomplete conversion. Incomplete conversion, not "incomplete salvation", as Nathan mistakenly says – (I have no idea what an incomplete salvation might be).




  At this point I can interject that a member of Nathan's former ROCA parish, a long-time Orthodox, having a firsthand familiarity with the situation, (but who would very much dislike having his name brought into this) told me about Nathan, "He's not Orthodox." He is a communing member of the parish, but he is not Orthodox.  Being Orthodox is more than the externals.  It is also of the heart.  If a person is Orthodox in their heart, the externals will naturally follow.  But taking on the externals does not make a person wholly Orthodox.


 One writer, on Wikipedia, * gives clarity with a good historic picture of the problem with Roseites:
  
"More recently, Holy Fathers have parted with the Apostle Paul's teaching to "desire earnestly spiritual gifts" and discouraged desiring spiritual gifts because of fear of falling into "prelest" a condition where real spiritual gifts are counterfeited. They advise, To avoid "prelest" spiritual accountability of a priest or abbot. Fr. Seraphim was cured from this condition by his spiritual father, the blessed St. John Maximovitch; as a priest and monk himself, he had people under this condition come to his monastery for guidance and prayer. Despite, witnessing real miracles in his friend St. John Maximovitch's life, Fr. Seraphim Rose, did no miraculous deeds (that we are aware of) and discouraged the pursuit of Charismatic gifts at all. Though he made many great contributions to Orthodoxy in both founding a monastery and publishing many books, arguably Fr. Seraphim taught "The heresy of pusillanimity which proposes that since we are not living in the time of the apostles, and are not in the immediate physical presence of the Saviour, it is impossible for us to become holy in the way the apostles were holy." In his lecture, Living the Orthodox Worldview, Fr. Seraphim taught that we can't even approach the saints of old or even regular Orthodox Christians from 100 years ago. Sadly, this belief produced its result with Fr. Seraphim living a life void of the supernatural miracles that followed his friend St. John Maximovitch along with other factors causing him to reject the Charismatic movement. St. John Maximovitch like many non-orthodox charismatics advocated friendship with the Holy Spirit and taught this even to small children(see Illumined Heart podcast series on St. John). This friendship with the Holy Spirit, visible in the lives of St. Seraphim of Sarov, St. Symeon the New Theologian, and in the life of St. John Maximovitch produces all true miracles and is the heart of the charismatic renewal within and outside of Eastern Orthodoxy"
Certainly this Wiki entry was written by an Orthodox Charismatic.* The Orthodox Charismatics prevent themselves from entering into the Church. If they could set aside their pride and submit to what the Church offers them for healing, then someday they would look back on their charismatic days with true horror – horrified at how close they came to falling off into the abyss.  
 * Yes, certainly this is written by a deluded Orthodox Charismatic, I wouldn't doubt if it isn't Lewis himself. It also predominately states these following citations. Contrary to popular belief people actually do make things up on the internet.

"This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources. Unsourced material may be challenged and removed. (February 2010"

And "The neutrality of this article is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (July 2014)"
  

 The tragedy for the Roseites is that they mirror their preferred saint's life, in that, they are "living a life void of the supernatural miracles", or void of even one of the spiritual gifts through which they may minister in the dynamous power. It is one thing, however, for the Roseites to choose for themselves, to live a life void of the supernatural gifts of the Spirit, it is another for them to have, as their mission, the denouncement and even, in some cases, the personal and often public destruction of the faithful orthodox believers who refuse to limit the workings of the Holy Spirit among us. I ask you: Who is the greater danger to the Body of Christ, those who live and attack out of fear, or those who live and act out of faith?
"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?"
"If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent?"
Here is what the Church says about the Charismatic Gifts: 
1 Corinthians 12
Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. [No matter what the Roseites say]
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many. [Roseites take note!] *
 *No, Lewisites take note!
15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.
24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.
25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.
27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.
...and the more excellent way is to LOVE.  
Roseites: Be of Christ and let HIM increase. Let your favorite saint, Father Seraphim Rose, decrease. The Body of Christ is charismatic. If it is not, then it is dead, and not the Body of Christ at all.*

*Lewisites: Use your Holy Spirit given logic and quite believing anything this anti-Christ, anti-Church imposter has to say. Luke :34-35 "I know who You are-- the Holy One of God!" But Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Be quiet and come out of him!" This shows that even though the demon in this man recognized and proclaimed Christ the Holy One of God, he was rebuked, showing us that even if a demon (or person) proclaims a truth, God still doesn't want us to pay him any mind because they will mix truth with falsehood


Tuesday, September 23, 2014

PERSONAL CHARISMATIC PROPHET


ALONG WITH MY TRUSTED SIDEKICK, THE GREAT ONE HIMSELF, SUPER BREW DEACON, I'M HERE TO DO THE LORD'S WORK. IT'S TIME TO TAKE NAMES, CLEAN HOUSE, AND REFORM THE CHURCH. WE FIGHT ON THE SIDE OF TRUTH, JUSTICE AND THE AMERICAN WAY, ALL THE WAY, ALL DAY LONG. SO STAND BACK AND PREPARE TO BE BEDAZZLE, BABY!

"Before becoming Orthodox I spent six years in the Charismatic Episcopal Church" 
 That is, he joined the Antiochians. Nathan and a number of others left the CEC to join Western Rite Antiochian parishes bringing some very un Orthodox beliefs along with them. He also says this about himself in his very first JTO post dated April 26, 2006.

"From Baptist, to Independent Bible Churches, to Charismatic Churches, to the Jewish Synogogues, to Messianic Fellowships, to the Charismatic Episcopal Church, and to the Roman Catholic Church"
 
Here is an old photo of my favorite Charismatic Prophet convert with his buddy who left the CEC and became a Western Rite Antiochian priest, Fr. Denny Roland

 THE PHOTO BELOW IS NATHAN LEE LEWIS WHEN HE JOINED WORLD ORTHODOXY WITH THE  ANTIOCHIANS  AND BEFORE HE GREW HIS ORTHO-HAIR AND ORTHO-BEARD TO BECOME A "TRADITIONAL ORTHODOX" PROPHET AND READER  TYPE SUPER HERO. QUITE A DIFFERENCE. DESPITE WANTING TO LOOK THE PART BY ALSO ADDING THE BLACK RASON AND TRIMMINGS. I CAN SEE WHY HE CHOOSE TO GROW THIS HAIR LONG AND ADD THE FACIAL HAIR. NO, OF COURSE  I WASN'T SAYING I THOUGHT HE WAS ONE UGLY DUDE BEFORE THE ORTHO MAKEOVER. I MEANT THAT NOW HE LOOKS MORE THE PART OF AN ORTHO PROPHET AUTHORITY FIGURE.


 






















Hi, you may not recognize me. I'm young Protestant Charismatic Nathan. I'm here to tell you you can trust me as I'm now older Charismatic Orthodox Nathan, with awesome ortho-beard & hair to boot !
 
Sunday, July 09, 2006

"Freedom In Worship, or Is Orthodoxy Charismatic?"

"I am considered a prophetic person. (Although I don't claim to be a Prophet). I have given prophetic words by the will of God in public and in private. I have seen angels and have experienced spiritual visions and dreams. I have been a Charismatic musician and worship leader, and have written many worship songs. I have danced in the spirit, spoken in tongues and been "slain in the spirit".
 
 Well, what more is there to comment about after reading this except it sounds like quite an oxymoron when he says all this and includes even more bullshit by adding "Although I don't claim to be a Prophet " to it all


"I have seen angels and have experienced spiritual visions and dreams."





 Reply
Anonymous2:03 PM
Well good for you! So glad you've found yet another true way to worship. So long as you don't expect everyone else on the planet to bow in sync with your bow, more power to you. Not everyone is willing to give up the way they worship, the way that's right for them, because it's not right to you. Your truth is not every ones truth, and with so much left before you're fully integrated into the orthodox faith can you truly be giving advice, and telling people in such an open forum that this is the right, the truth, and the only way to go. Lets just say this has been hashed and rehashed in your lifetime and its to your discreditation.
 Hmm, sounds like somebody isn't impressed, and he's anonymous at that. I'm surprise that Nathan published this comment as it fits his profile of a drive by commenter. I guess he's gotten pickier since then.

Blessings on you "Anonymous". You make some very sincere points and worthy of response. Journey To Orthodoxy has devoted an entire article to your Comment. Please see "Drive By Bloggers or DDBs".
Oh! This is the guy who started all the hoopla about drive by comments. Sounds like he really got on the prophet's bad side. I hope nothing bad had happened to him after this. You don't want to piss off God's Prophet you know. But then again, he did get Nathan's blessing so I think he must have received mercy and is OK. It's funny how Nathan had labeled myself as a "drive by commenter" in his posts after I sent him comments which he refused to publish. Instead he badmouthed me as a unknown drive by, despite the fact that he knew exactly who I was all along. Just shows how dishonest this guy really is and why he belongs just where he has ended up.




   

" I, myself, have given revelatory personal words of prophetic wisdom to individuals and Church leaders since becoming Orthodox, but not in a public worship service!"



OK NATHAN, SURE, SURE YOU HAVE..
  1. Now this is a very interesting statement Lewis makes, that since "becoming Orthodox" he's given private words of prophecy to people which included church leaders. I would take that to mean clergy ! This JTO blog posting was made in 2006. In 2010 a priest, Fr. Elias Yelovich with the Antiochian Diocese of Charleston, Oakland and the Mid-Atlantic was  suspended and later dismissed for numerous reasons, one being

    "Your continued disobedience to directives passed on to you by my office, specifically those dealing with your own spirtual care, namely continuing against my direction to have a layman as your confessor. 
    and another even more interesting being,
    . "Proclaiming throughout your deanery that one of your parishoners is a “prophet” and accounting and proclaiming “miracles” without consulting the hierarchs of this Archdiocese." 

    Wow! Could this it be.... Nathan? Sounds like more than just a coincidence to me, although to be fair, I can't confirm for sure they are talking about Nathan. The Antiochians did receive a whole bunch of these Charismatic types of people into their ranks so it could very well be another "Orthodox Prophet" mentioned. If that's the case It looks like this other prophet didn't see Nathan's "Orthodox Prophets" blog or if he did he just didn't take Nathan up on his call to send in his own prophecies to the blog for review and publication. Regardless, Nathan was in the Antiochians and Yelovich was also. I'm not sure exactly when Nathan left the Antiochians but Nathan is now a member of the regurgitated Milan Synod and has been made a reader, and, Elias Yelovich was accepted as a priest in the same regurgitated Milan Synod after being dismissed by the Antiochians. 
     You can read about Yelovich's dismissal here: 
    http://www.ocanews.org/news/YelovichDismissed11.17.09.html
     here's his new mission's website:
    http://entrancemission.org/

     Granted, Elias Yelovich was kicked out of a World Orthodox jurisdiction, but it was for some outrageous actions on his part that would not be tolerated in any canonical traditional True Orthodox jurisdiction either. For Joseph Suaiden and Lewis's group to accept him, given the charges against him, just shows what they are really all about. Of course they will probably have us believe that the reasons he was defrocked from the Antiochians were not a problem in accepting him because they weren't true, or that he left World Orthodoxy as a matter of conscience over ecumenism. They are very sympathetic to individual's delusional quirks just as long as they want to join up with them. They will also do their best to allow these people to keep their delusions and cover for them in the public eye as best they can....Oh Joseph....Oh Enoch... please see to that right away 

     Here's a few selected comments from  the forum OrthodoxChristianity.net.
      http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php?topic=34258.0;prev_next=next#new


    Re: Elias excommunicated
    March 2011

    For a priest to leave a diocese without letters of release from his present bishop incurs deposition and excommunication.   Any bishop with half a brain would know better than to receive a priest from another diocese without a canonical letter of release from the previous bishop.  As someone said above, he brought it upon himself. 

    I guess that doesn't say much about Archbishop John of the Milan Synod, does it?
     Maybe, maybe not.  Let's face it, Orthodoxy is so fragmented you have clergy jumping fences all over the place.  Then you have priests coming from vagante jurisdictions trying to come into "canonical" (or maybe a better term would be universally accepted) jurisdictions... it creates a quandary and is bad for ecclesial discipline.
     He likely doesn't care; the Milan Synod isn't in communion with the AOC, and likely uses that fact to justify the reception.
     It's just my *opinion*, and I can't substantiate it with anything more concrete than the speed with which Yelovich switched from the AOC to Milan, but I'd guess that Archbishop John received him in order to give the AOC and "mainstream" Orthodoxy a poke in the eye.  I've heard that Yelovich knew him prior to all the kerfuffle, so that may have helped ease the way.  As I said, it just my opinion.
     Well, you have to choose who to believe on this one.  To the Antiochian Archdiocese and all with whom they are in communion (all the Patriarchates), Fr. E. Yelovich would be considered no longer a priest and no longer able to serve true mysteries.  In other words, a priest in dress only.  However, if you think the “Milan Synod” is the Church despite the fact that they are a very small sect that has no communion at all with any of the Patriarchates, and is not recognized by any of the Patriarchates as being part of the Church, then you will have a different view.  Apparently, Milan itself is in somewhat of a crisis now, where the bishops in Europe would like to be part of the Church and in communion with the Moscow Patriarchate, and Abp John here in the US (who was just given “autonomy” by the bishops in Europe) wants nothing to do with the Patriarchates.  One has to decide who has the authority of the Church to bind and loose, to ordain and depose, a tiny sect which can’t agree with itself regarding its relationship with the rest of the Church (the Patriarchates), or the Patriarchates themselves.
     The Russian Orthodox Church Abroad has received 5 priests from the Synod of Milan in the last couple of years.  Fr Sergey Armstone in the UK,  Fr Aidan Keller, Abbot David Pierce and in the last few weeks Fr George Grube in the US (plus one other whose name escapes me.)   One other priest is "in process." In all cases these priests were not ordained by Metropolitan Hilarion but were received by the Rite of Heirothesia. The conclusion is that the Milan Synod is seen by the Russian Church Abroad as possessing some kind of unique status, although I doubt if anybody would want to define it specifically.
     I would agree with you about this.  Anyone can call himself anything they like.  I can think of parallels in the medical field that I have come across.  Just because I call myself something doesn't make me that.  There is the issue of legitimacy; of recognition by the accepted authorities.  Accepted, that is, by the majority of people over whom those authorities exercise whatever "powers" given them.Yelovich, by his own actions, has very unfortunately proved that he is unfit for "fatherhood".